Mar 28, 2012
John MacArthur discounts the seriousness of abuse.
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Good but frankly enraging post, lovely Barb. Are you okay?
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Several parts of it rankled with me, but most particularly words to the effect that God doesn't give us more than we can handle - that, to me suggests that MacArthur thinks wives need to put up with more and worse abuse, even where that runs to incest against their children.
When he says that you need to stay with a cantankerous or hostile husband, this is akin to saying that emotional/verbal abuse need to be tolerated interminably too. He certainly has no understanding whatsoever of the damage that abuse, including these forms, does.
It is just so typical of men of MacArthur's ilk to support notions that women exaggerate abuse, because he believes it should be a man's world. He sounds very hostile and extremely patronizing, and I fear for any woman under his pastoral guidance.
Wrong, wrong wrong on so many levels. I am happy to depths of my soul that you exist to counter this for Christian women living with abuse, Barb xxx
PS. Also, what if a woman cannot leave the home? This man reminds me of why I am a feminist.Replies
I've copied your comment over to a closely related post at A Cry for Justice.
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http://cryingoutforjustice.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/when-our-champions-become-idols-by-jeff-crippen/
Thanks Louise. You've just given a Christian audience a good example of why so many people won't have a bar of Christian stuff. I would like to tell you that the fault is not with the Bible or with God (in my humble opinion) but with the people who so greatly misunderstand the Bible. Thanks for being part of the discussion, Louise!


My husband and I were just talking about MacArthur last night. Great post, and you are so right. The subtleties are often missed from a conscious level, but our unconscious is quite good at catching those things. So people who dismiss that type of rhetoric as unimportant and being "too sensitive" (which I am often accused of being) is really that we are not sensitive enough to this type of subtle influence. Thanks for posting.
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Sheri FerberMarch 29, 2012 at 4:02 AMHas he been confronted with these beliefs?
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I know Pastor John M and Pastor Rick Warren do not always see eye to eye...but it seems they do on this matter. Perhaps they both could use some schooling.
EXACTLY! This is just why I feel so betrayed by this pastor. We are supposed to smile, reconcile, and count our beatings as little annoyances. Eleven years after my last beating, I remain visually impaired and living in pain. I am not a whiner and, if I was making the abuse up, I would not have been awarded life-time protection from my abusive husband. Yes, I tried reconciliation. For the remainder of my life, I will pay the high price for that attempt. Perhaps Dr. MacArthur should preach about Christ's expectations for men rather than castigating abused women. MacArthur seems to care more for his rules and control than Jesus. Jesus taught mercy, not legalism.
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And by the way, since when is incest not considered adultery and since when has it become acceptable. That whole idea is infuriating and surreal.
Barbara, you hit the nail on the head! Stand firm. You are making a difference. Blessings, friend.
Terri
Barb, Been through adultery and long term emotional and verbal abuse (no physical abuse toward me). If I had divorced him it would have been for the abuse. Adultery is fleeting. The ongoing daily disrespectful, demeaning, critical controlling atmosphere is deadening, like living in a concentration camp.
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AnonymousApril 23, 2012 at 5:15 PMAs well as being one of those who blindly serve the cause of the abuser, MacAthur is a terrible writer and poor biblical exegete.
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AnonymousMay 31, 2012 at 3:28 PMAs far as I can see there is NO Grace to the Abused women and children in MacArthur's teaching here. Coming from a long term marriage of Emotional, Verbal, physical and sexual abuse I would have to say that Mr. MacArthur has a very limited understanding of what it can be like to be married to an abusive man. Especially one who calls himself a "Christian". The type of abuse that I experienced was very covert.. subtle.. but yet destructive. It took me 17 years to figure out that I was actually in an abusive relationship and another 8 to figure out what I was going to do about it. BY then I was beaten to a pulp, emotionally and spiritually. Once I finally got out.. I suffered from depression and post-traumatic stress disorder.
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God values marriage - However, I believe that God values his children more.
The Bible says that a man should love his wife as CHRIST loved the church... Show me in the Bible where Christ ever abused his Bride..
In a perfect world Christians would not divorce.. sadly, we do not live in a perfect world.. Rather than focusing on divorce and trying to discount abuse.. I would like to see Mr. MacArthur focus on teaching men how to love their wives as Christ loved the church. For if all Christian men worked on this aspect of their marriages there would be far fewer instances of divorce due to abuse and adultery. Furthermore, until Mr. MacArthur knows from personal experience what life can be like living with an abusive husband I would like to suggest that he leaves adivising women on what they should do to a more qualified individual.
Thank you, Anonymous. I totally agree.
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And until MacArthur and his ilk take the time to really listen to (and BELIEVE) Christian victims of abuse, hear their stories, and then demonstrate that they genuine understand how subtle and cunning the tactics of domestic abuser are, these men are UNQUALIFIED (in my opinion) to teach husbands how to love their wives as Christ loved the church. Any fellow can teach men "Love your wife as Christ loved the church", but only those who are wise to the ways of wolves in sheep's clothing can convict and persuade men to do this for real, rather than for show.
We say some people are ‘accident-prone’ when they lack the spatial relations or cognitive or mobility skills to avoid accidents. But an abuser doesn’t lack the skills of respectful relating: he possesses those skills in abundance when it comes to enlisting allies in the church. He CHOOSES to relate disrespectfully and abusively to his target victim. So we should call it that, not excuse him with weasel words like ‘violence-prone’.
“[if you] are merely a weary wife who is fed up with a cantankerous or disagreeable husband–”
Did you catch that word “merely”? How belittling! Clearly MacArthur doesn’t understand that because abuse is a pattern of conduct designed to exercise power and control over the victim, every victim will inevitably end up feeling incredibly weary and exhausted, and will be fed up. MacArthur never says that weariness and fed up-ness can be red flags for abuse, so victims of abuse who read his words will stay longer in the fog, because they not been helped to identify whether they are Victims of Abuse.
Many survivors have said, “He didn’t hit me often. He didn’t have to. Fear is a powerful weapon.” And others say, “He never hit me. He didn’t have to. Fear is a powerful weapon.”